Sunday, May 11, 2008
These Lying Times....Where is Said, "Loving the Sinner, but Not the Sin?"
These Lying Times....Where is Said, "Loving the Sinner, but Not the Sin?"
By Carl G Loy
2/15/08
Constantly, we hear the pulpit and most Christians claiming that God Hates the sin, but Loves the sinner. Where is that found in the Bible? It becomes a mindset that God tells us to hate the sin but love the sinner, so we hear it being repeated over and over. But does it hold muster when judged by God's Word? Lynn Suter has recently written in Newswithviews.com, that God hates the sin, but Loves the sinner. In a personal note, she said that God never gives up on sinners; that He punishes sinners because He Loves them and hopes that they will turn from their sinful ways. She goes on to say that He still Loves the sinner, even when the sinner does not turn from his sinful ways. I don't know which Bible she uses, but it is not like my own. God does Hate and not just the sin. I suppose some, such as Mrs Suter, would say He destroyed the world with the flood out of love of all those sinners and sent them directly to hell; that He did not give up on the world of sinners in Noah's day, nor on the sinners in Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't see where God is punishing sinners to make them turn away form anything on earth, but of course He took steps at times to cause their confusion, such as the tower of Babel. He chastises His Own, sometimes using evil to do so.
God Loves His Own Children and punishment of them out of His Love for them is according to Scripture. Most of the Old Testament is a recounting of the relationship of God with His Israel People and includes love and discipline, pleasure and favor, and displeasure with Israel. He had no mercy on the outside world beyond Israel and, in fact, removed other nations either to make way for Israel, or to prevent their being influenced by the paganism practiced by the other nations. He was not punishing other nations for their sin or paganism, but destroying them to protect His Israel. Always He demonstrated His Love for Israel, the nation He made as His Children. Never did He show mercy for the world except as it related to Israel or to those who followed Him, such as Abram. God Hated paganism, and He hated Pagans, which was the world beyond Israel, even though He Suffered the idolatry of Israel, and did discipline them for same.
In the New Testament, nowhere does it say Jesus loves sinners, although He Loves those who love Him and though they do sin. The unbeliever, the pagan, those who belong to Satan are not Loved by Him and the Scripture is filled with what He Hates and it's not just the sin. Like the verse in Romans that is used to justify obedience to governments as 'ordained by God,' a distortion of Truth, loving the sinner but not the sin, is just another fabricated man-made treatment of Scripture. Do you think He Loved the moneychangers that He drove out of the temple? Yes, He walked the earth seeking those who would follow Him and He took a prostitute unto His Care, saved a thief who sought Him on the cross, and asked mercy for those who knew not what they did. That mercy was not a request for forgiveness for those of the world, but for those who were deceived by the world by their lack of knowledge and understanding; for those who were led astray by the Scribes and Pharisees. But did He Love the Scribes and Pharisees? Some of His harshest Words were directed toward them and those Words had no Love in them. I don't think He Loved vipers.
Since the Ministry of Jesus Christ, there should have been no time that any true believing Christian would question His Love for them nor His Grace and Forgiveness, but to say that this same Love is shared with the secular world and that their sinfulness is all that He Detests is to ignore Scripture, or selectively use it to justify that type of thinking.
The Tribulation that is to come is not an example of God's Love for the sinner, now is it?
I rest my case.
By Carl G Loy
2/15/08
Constantly, we hear the pulpit and most Christians claiming that God Hates the sin, but Loves the sinner. Where is that found in the Bible? It becomes a mindset that God tells us to hate the sin but love the sinner, so we hear it being repeated over and over. But does it hold muster when judged by God's Word? Lynn Suter has recently written in Newswithviews.com, that God hates the sin, but Loves the sinner. In a personal note, she said that God never gives up on sinners; that He punishes sinners because He Loves them and hopes that they will turn from their sinful ways. She goes on to say that He still Loves the sinner, even when the sinner does not turn from his sinful ways. I don't know which Bible she uses, but it is not like my own. God does Hate and not just the sin. I suppose some, such as Mrs Suter, would say He destroyed the world with the flood out of love of all those sinners and sent them directly to hell; that He did not give up on the world of sinners in Noah's day, nor on the sinners in Sodom and Gomorrah. I don't see where God is punishing sinners to make them turn away form anything on earth, but of course He took steps at times to cause their confusion, such as the tower of Babel. He chastises His Own, sometimes using evil to do so.
God Loves His Own Children and punishment of them out of His Love for them is according to Scripture. Most of the Old Testament is a recounting of the relationship of God with His Israel People and includes love and discipline, pleasure and favor, and displeasure with Israel. He had no mercy on the outside world beyond Israel and, in fact, removed other nations either to make way for Israel, or to prevent their being influenced by the paganism practiced by the other nations. He was not punishing other nations for their sin or paganism, but destroying them to protect His Israel. Always He demonstrated His Love for Israel, the nation He made as His Children. Never did He show mercy for the world except as it related to Israel or to those who followed Him, such as Abram. God Hated paganism, and He hated Pagans, which was the world beyond Israel, even though He Suffered the idolatry of Israel, and did discipline them for same.
In the New Testament, nowhere does it say Jesus loves sinners, although He Loves those who love Him and though they do sin. The unbeliever, the pagan, those who belong to Satan are not Loved by Him and the Scripture is filled with what He Hates and it's not just the sin. Like the verse in Romans that is used to justify obedience to governments as 'ordained by God,' a distortion of Truth, loving the sinner but not the sin, is just another fabricated man-made treatment of Scripture. Do you think He Loved the moneychangers that He drove out of the temple? Yes, He walked the earth seeking those who would follow Him and He took a prostitute unto His Care, saved a thief who sought Him on the cross, and asked mercy for those who knew not what they did. That mercy was not a request for forgiveness for those of the world, but for those who were deceived by the world by their lack of knowledge and understanding; for those who were led astray by the Scribes and Pharisees. But did He Love the Scribes and Pharisees? Some of His harshest Words were directed toward them and those Words had no Love in them. I don't think He Loved vipers.
Since the Ministry of Jesus Christ, there should have been no time that any true believing Christian would question His Love for them nor His Grace and Forgiveness, but to say that this same Love is shared with the secular world and that their sinfulness is all that He Detests is to ignore Scripture, or selectively use it to justify that type of thinking.
The Tribulation that is to come is not an example of God's Love for the sinner, now is it?
I rest my case.
